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Boogie Man · Moderator Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 46

Some experts say that when a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery - from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing - produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success.

So what do you think about it, guys? The poll is open.

Boogie Man · Moderator Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 46

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chrome · Newbie Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 2

Well depends of the situation! Maby you can calmly reason with the attaker if he's only pointing a knife at you! I always try to avoid the use of force! But if a have no other choice......

blowjoblessons · Guest

Of course, those studies are not based on controlled experiments. To me, robbery completion is an acceptable outcome if it will prevent physical harm to myself or my family.

Bear in mind that attacks are conducted in those situations which the attacker believes will most favour himself, and least favour the victim. I have no experience robbing people, but common sense says that I should hide completely out of view, step out of a car or behind a corner, behind the person, grip them tightly at the shoulder, body, or neck, and put a gun against their head or back. At that point, trying to pull a gun on the guy is idiotic. Self-defensers understand this. So a self-defenser is unlikely to pull a gun at that point, and so a fatality is averted, which would otherwise have loaded onto the fatality rate for gun draw responses. The point is, it's short-sighted to look at those stats and then infer, well, I'll just always pull a gun, that's my best chance. (Not that I'm implying you were saying this.) We have to use common sense.

Where do those stats come from?

Sanford Strong's book, Strong On Defense discusses empirically-supported, practical strategies for responding to violent crime. Bo Hardy's book, Defensive Living also has some good principles at this level of analysis.

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besafe2 · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject:

Maybe no more votes because of only 2 choices. I would like one that says "it depends". If you feel it is "only" a robbery, give them what they wan then run like hell if you can. Don't hang around to see what's next. Now if you have reason to believe it is more than robbery(based on actions) then you do what ever has to be done at the time to survive. I would remind that you must have a survival mind set & know ahead of time what you will do. I play mind games &'what if" all time & you should also.
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Guest · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject:

besafe-- CORRECT! No one's going to answer either way, because doing so amounts to admitting you're predisposed to one or the other, rather than evaluating the situation and acting accordingly. Bottom line, like you said, is get to safety, get to safety, get to safety. If this entails having to break and run, then so be it. If it necessitates breaking someone's neck and then running, that's how it's gonna be.

Any "always do this" answer is wrong as often as it is right. A common answer is throw your wallet one way and run in the other. It's a good idea unless, oh, the guy's on meth, armed, and in close quarters, in which case quick movements freak him the heck out and he shoots and stabs you.

You've gotta read a few sources like Gavin DeBecker, Sanford Strong, Bo Hardy, Tony Blauer, Geoff Thompson, Kelly McCann, Marc MacYoung, so that you understand

1) what are some of the basic considerations and
2) what are some things you COULD do

Then through the process of mental exercises, what-ifs, sometimes using news clippings, sometimes through scenario simulation, or other times just stimulated by your environmental awareness, you notice the possible hazards, the environmental factors, and your brain begins to "interpolate" among the scenarios you read, and then you know what you would do in a given situation.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

sorry, didn't sign that last post

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Painkiller · Newbie Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 3

Guest · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:20 am Post subject:

Yeah. It's a meaningless question, sort of like saying, "what's the best move in martial arts?" If there really was a good answer to this, then the rest of martial arts would be redundant. There would only be one move, and every martial art would be that move. It would be "the move". This would be "the best move" all the time, in any situation. It ain't so. A mentor of mine, Tony Blauer, used to use that analogy.

People should only disarm a gun when they decide they have to in order to prevent grievious bodily harm or death. I've trained in gun disarms on a very limited basis, and it's "hit or miss", no pun intended. I do get "killed" a lot.

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ash_wednesday · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject:

If the robber has a weapon, he can take what he/ she wants. Won't be much since I don't carry cash. If he has a melee weapon, I might try to defend myself. It would depend on the person.
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JWAG · Guest

It all starts when you leave the house. don't corry anything you can't afford to lose. If you have to carry large sums of money on you, leave the 20s, 50s,etc in your shoes/socks. And try to keep your bank cards away your checkbook. If forced to hand them over, you can cancel them out with a phone call. Try to carry "muggers tax", a few low denomination bills to hand over hoping the robber will take them and run

supermodel · Guest

i have been attacked unluckily and you can check the story on " womens self defense and kicking mens testicles" doesnt justify story but it was only place on here at time which was suited to the story. i agree i was attacked when i was 17 by a middle aged man i overcame him using tae kwon do skills but in a way i thought i could die by fightinh back but it came to me and i won luckily but i again rephrase only fight if needed this guy had a knife but he didnt want money he wanted me so i had no choice but think of your actions before you fight some aint as lucky

alexxx · Newbie Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 2

i think , that 9 out of 10 times, fighting back immidiately! is the best option. You never know what they will do after they get wat t initailly wanted.
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Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:

This is one of the articles that has long guided my ideas on self-defence strategy:

http://www.rad-systems.com/Articles/fightback.html

Well worth the read.
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Tomas · Newbie Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4

Don't fight for property.
But if they want to isolate or tie you up fight back with aggressiveness
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