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Tomas · Newbie Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4

There are a lot of systems to choose from in the world of martial arts. Many of them claim to be good for self-defense purposes but it is just a few that actually are useful. Your system should contain defense against armed attacks, multiple assailants training, stress training, and include verbal de-escalation, proper mindset, sparring, contact training and it should contain few but good techniques.

Krav Maga: A hardcore military system from Israel. It contains a lot of the above attributes. It's major advantage is the weapon use (replicas) in early stages of the training and that the proper mental mindset is trained from the beginning. The biggest drawback is that it is a bit technique focused at times but scenario training occurs.

Reality based self defense (RBSD): Much but not all of the training is scenario based. Your goal is to solve a mission under the most dangerous of all possible situations.

Sport based systems: Like boxing, Brazilian jiujitsu, shootfighting, judo and thaiboxing. Sport based systems gives you the advantage of being really good fighting unarmed against a single opponent.
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bmcgonag · Newbie Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 3 Location: New Mexico

While your suggestions are good, it's not about picking one system. There is no perfect system, and not even close. It's about getting into a system, and putting everything you have into it, and applying it to scenarios. If your instructor isn't willing ot do that, move to a different school, because you aren't getting what you are paying for.

When you are taught a technique, don't just trust that it works, get someone who isn't in the class, who isn't pre-disposed to the technique, and try it. Try it a few times, and get someone who is truly willing to help you out. If you get someone and tell them, I'm going to do XYZ, they often times will try to block against those specific things because they know what is coming. A real attacker may be able to guess at what might be coming, but won't know for sure, and therefore is at a disadvantage, this is the type of situation you want to replicate.

Get your partner to wear padding, and alot of it, so that you can go all out.

Best,

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Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject:

Agree with Tomas mostly, but there are a lot of krav maga mcdojos out there too.
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dk2 · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 2

Unfortunately, searching for Self-Defense instruction is not an easy task, and Self-Defense differs from greatly from Traditional Martial Arts. There are many variables to consider. I came across an article here that addresses concerns when searching for a Self-Defense School. The article was very useful for me, and I hope it is able to help you in your hunt.

ScottHughes · Registered User Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

I've heard that a lot of martial arts don't actually teach fighting skills that are effective in a street fight and such. Krav Maga sounds like an exception, in that it sounds hardcore enough to prepare someone for real combat.

Nonetheless, I think all martial arts help, because the main thing people need is the mindset. The confidence and willingness to fight back. A lot of women's self-defense classes work for these reason. It isn't the quality of the techniques that makes them effective; it's that they teach women to do whatever it takes in a bad situation - groin kicking, screaming, eye gouging, etc.
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avdrummerboy · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:10 am Post subject:

Female fights are some of the most violent, they get crazy, hair-pulling, biting, scratching, etc.
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sjohnsoncqb · Registered User Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 26

I've done both Krav Maga and Reality Based with Jim Wagner.

For me personally, I thought Reality Based was more pragmatic because it taught what to do BEFORE you even got into a physical confrontation (awareness/escape/evasion). Some of the knife techniques in Krav Maga didn't seem as practical to me as the Reality Based material either.

That being said, I think Krav is better than a lot of other sport systems because it does emphasize using simple and effective techniques. As stated before, it really is about the practitioner, and you can absorb what is useful from almost any system.

Just make sure you are trying to train as realistically as possible. You'll soon figure out what really works and what doesn't.
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Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject:

A lot of my friends have asked me whether they should do KM for sd. I have no firsthand experience with it, though I've seen the "official" video sets and of course plenty of online vids. The thing I don't like about it is that they punch an awful lot. Straight right to the body, punch to the face a lot. I mean, they could teach worse, but I think they could teach better. What do you think about this sjohnson? I trust your opinion on this because you've figured out a lot of of the same stuff I have, based on your posts on here.
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sjohnsoncqb · Registered User Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 26

I completely agree. Krav is the best "mainstream" self defense school out there relative to the sport-centric systems, but they could be much better. There is too much regular punching in it and the knife techniques I experienced were COMPLETELY unrealistic.

I came back to the Krav place after not training for a while and we had a drill where someone came up behind us with our eyes closed and we had to do a technique to get out of it. I couldn't remember what the official Krav move was (and who remembers an official technique in a real fight anyway?) so I made one up on the spot - a flurry of elbow strikes and rakes to the face (not making real contact of course). The guy who attacked me just stared back when I was done and said, "Whoa...you're not from here..." But that's what Krav SHOULD be about...

I think over the years I've figured out why REAL self defense is so incredibly difficult to find.

1. Real self defense is scary because you have to really hit people and get hit. Not necessarily full contact, but even the thought of getting hit by someone with gloves while you wear headgear freaks people out.

2. Real self defense is not about getting promoted. There are no belts. There are no patches. There are no prizes. So you have to be self motivated to do it and a lot of people aren't.

3. Parents won't take their kids to a class that teaches them how to really hurt people, and kids bring in a HUGE amount of income to mainstream martial arts.

4. Real self defense looks like it's practiced by gung-ho psycho LEO, military, and gun nuts that just want to thrash on one another, and that freaks out the average citizen.

5. You often get injured while doing real self defense. Maybe a bloody nose, a twisted ankle, some bruising. This definitely scares people away. I know I get nervous when I do realistic training even with people who know what they're doing because things can go wrong. It's a huge liability for instructors as well, so I think they are reluctant to teach it.

And because of all this, there just isn't a big market for real self defense. I was working with Jim Wagner and as good as he is, he wasn't bringing in the huge classes in the states. Now he does most of his training overseas. Go check out his website. There just aren't a lot of regular people who want to train like this, and I think it's really unfortunate because I think the sport-centric systems are convincing a lot of people they know how to defend themselves when they really don't.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

For me - the ideal system is a blend of reality based scenario drills + Tony Blauer mental edge and SPEAR + Jim Grover/Kelly McCann's weapons & combatives + tactical strategies by Sanford Strong and Gavin DeBecker. You'll never find a single school that teaches all that to civilians.
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Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:

"For me - the ideal system is a blend of reality based scenario drills + Tony Blauer mental edge and SPEAR + Jim Grover/Kelly McCann's weapons & combatives + tactical strategies by Sanford Strong and Gavin DeBecker. You'll never find a single school that teaches all that to civilians."

Damn, man. This guy is my Tyler Durden. I must be posting under his name in my sleep.
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hidden · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

Martial Arts is just about worthless to defend yourself with. Sure it would be good if somebody were to fight a clean fight with you but nobody will do that. If you are pinned then your martial art skills means nothing.
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Ted Truscott · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:

Ummmm, hidden, can you tell us how people defended themselves before tasers were invented? And if ma sd is no good, why do professional bodyguards and soldiers practise it?

Martial arts just means learning how to fight, unless you limit the term to tournaments and movies.

No one style is the perfect solution - a proper teacher is better than a fad style. Even the km people are fussing the deterioration of their style into politically correct pablum for softies.
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hidden · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

I never said its not good to know. All I said is that it is slightly overrated and that it is useless against greather threats.
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Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

"Martial Arts is just about worthless to defend yourself with." - hidden, Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:40 am

"I never said its not good to know. All I said is that it is slightly overrated and that it is useless against greather (sic) threats." - hidden, Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:16 pm

MEMO to FORUM: the member registered as hidden doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. IGNORE HIM.

So I guess Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (which I do 12 hours a week) is useless "if you are pinned", right? I mean, they don't have groundfighting, escapes, or reversals, right? You speak from pathetic, grievous ignorance.
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kfcfan · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 25

When I need to learn some self defense and martial arts I just turn to America's hero, Chuck Norris. (Do not begin with his jokes). He really is skilled in the art.
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