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jgoodman · Newbie Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 1

My fiance, as a part of her new job, has to walk alone at night in a bad part of town to get to her car. Consequently, I want to get her something to use for self-defense.

I've been looking at mace and stun-guns- how are these? Is one more effective than the other?

And with stun guns, they range in voltage from 100,000 to 8 or 900,000. Are the higher ones overkill? Is the difference in effect as big as the difference in those numbers? Will a lower voltage even be effective? The last thing I want is for her to use something that just pisses off an attacker without enabling her to get away.

I'd greatly appreciate any knowledgable feedback that anyone can give me.

Guest · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

Mace is a good thing, buy it without any doubt.
As for stun guns, voltage is not the key. They have another characteristic that is crucial - amperage. The higher amperage, the higher effectiveness. Ask stun gun dealer about this parameter.

avdrummerboy · Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:46 am Post subject:

Usually, I am no expert, a stun gun/ tazer with a lower voltage (based on power laws and ohms law) should have a higher amperage. Don't take my exact words for it, but it does make sense to anyone who knows any electronics like myself. In other words, if the same current that is used in the 80,000V tazer to be effective was used in a 900,000V model it would be too muck current for a body to handle based on power laws.

Just my 2 cents idea.
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sjohnsoncqb · Registered User Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 26

I know this post is a little old, but I thought I throw in my 2 cents anyway.

Every type of non-lethal weapon has its advantages and disadvantages. I think the most important thing for any lethal or non-lethal weapon to have is ease of deployment.

She can have a stun gun or a taser or mace, but if she keeps it in her purse and a bad guy jumps out at her or tackles her, how will she ever access it to use it? I strongly suggest if she were to get any type of less-than-lethal weapon, she carry it in her hand as she walks to her car. This way it is ready to go at a moments notice and she doesn't have to worry about digging in her purse while being freaked out that a guy is coming at her, because she's not going to get whatever she carries in time.

I have my own less-than-lethal preference that I think addresses all these issues, but I will post on it later.
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Ted Truscott · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

Don't forget to have a talk with her about Talisman thinking - the old "You just wear my special shirt and bullets will bounce off you" schtick.

Talisman thinking is depending on one thing, usually a small (ineffective) tool that allows you to face the dragon and prevail.

What would she have to do to guarantee her safety if she had no magic mace in her purse? She'd have to rearrange her life; she'd have to re-think her parking practices, walk with a buddy, call a cab, refuse to work those hours etc. She might have to take a martial art, quit smoking and practise running, who knows.

If you must walk into danger, it is better to have your whole life tuned to the task, and not depend on a magic prayer or a talisman in your pocket.

Talisman thinking...
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sjohnsoncqb · Registered User Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 26

I agree. Self defense and defensive tactics should be a part of the regimen as well. Whatever you choose to carry, be it mace, a kubotan, a blade, a pen, etc. etc., you should definitely know how to use it and have trained using it in reality-based situations. If awareness, avoidance, and every other defensive tactic fails for whatever reason (like the security guard you trusted to walk you to your car turns out to be the guy who attacks you or something else equally as horrifying), that's when you resort to your physical skills and training.

But as you said, your weapon is not your talisman, it's just a tool among many tools that can be used. But the skill behind the tool is what is most important.

I like the article on improvised weapons.
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hidden · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

I like tasers. Sadly they are being put up to be illegalized possibly. I have bought mine in advance so no worries for me.
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kfcfan · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 25

As soon as I can I will be buying a gun, mace, and a taser to give to my loved ones for self defense. There are too many evil people out there. We need to be safe.
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hidden · Registered User Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 16

When I am 18 I am getting a gun. Just a small fire arm. That should suffice. I feel so much safer with a gun by my side.
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bhardman1985 · Registered User Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 10

For powerful protection you mos def want to go with a taser brand taser instead of a stun gun, but you will end up spending over 200 dollars more. The C2 is probably your best option and it's comes in many different styles. Check out www.stungunsdefense.ecrater.com...great deals and lowest prices you'll find

redhotpepperspray · Newbie Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 4

For the person that said that stun gun amperage is the imporant factor...let me say this. Higher stun gun amperage makes the stun gun more lethal. The low amperage is what makes it 'non-lethal'. The higher voltage is truly what makes the stun gun more effective. But stun gun companies simply inflate these numbers so they are not accurate.

The company Taser International sells the police tasers, along with the C2 civilian taser. The police Tasers are rated at 50k volts. But this is 50k true, measured volts, not inflated.

Just remember, if you do buy a stun gun for your protection, be sure and buy from a reputable company. Be sure and test your stun gun frequently to make sure the battery is still good, and the unit still works. I have had several units fail over time. This cannot help you in a situation where you need it.

There's nothing wrong with carrying a stun gun and pepper spray. If the stun gun unit stops working, you can have an inexpensive, yet effective backup.

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Journeyman · Registered User Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 8

Blowjob Lessons · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:33 am Post subject:

Another couple points:

Some recent tests (notably Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's test of Taser devices) have found that stun guns do not always function within the stated voltage/amperage parameters. Some of the taser devices were way more powerful than Taser Inc. had stated, which may be one reason why they have been known to cause deaths when used as directed. Several police services suspended their use of the Taser after this discovery.

Second, training with the weapon (mainly deployment and retention) and carrying them properly are very, very important.

I do not use/carry pepper spray. However, in discussions of OC products, Fox Labs constantly shows up in the discussions as being one of the best.

Good training materials:
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ledefensetech · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:47 am Post subject:

As with anything, make sure that your fiance has trained with whatever you choose to get her. Stun guns can be useful as long as she can get to it and use it. If you'd like more information on my views on self defense, pepper sprays and stun guns. In addition, you may want to check out my post on personal alarms and how you can use all three as a way to increase your chances of surviving a violent encounter.

Stun guns work with very low amperage. It takes about one amp to kill someone. An AED uses between 100-500 milliamps to shock the heart back into rhythm. A stun gun uses about 3-4 milliamps. The voltage determines the penetration power and how quickly the stun gun works. Although a stun gun might use 50,000 volts, the weapon will step down to 5,000 volts and dump that energy directly in the assailant's muscular system. This will cause the muscles to work very quickly depleting them of energy. In response, the body will draw sugar from the bloodstream to replace the energy lost by the muscles. This will cause your opponents to become groggy and impair their ability to do much of anything, really.

As for possibly killing someone by using a stun gun. Too bad. You shouldn't be attacking people. The C2 has never had a problem with killing someone. The C2 works by shocking someone for 30 seconds. Taser recommends that you put the weapon down and go to find help. All you have to do then is get a copy of the police report and Taser will replace your C2. According to them, your life is more important than trying to reclaim your property.

All in all a stun gun is a good choice for a defensive tool, but you and your fiance need to think about what sorts of situations she might run into and how she might handle those situations. Then you can decide what tools you need.
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